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uisik34
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Hardware advice and where to start first?

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Hello all forum members,

First I am semi experinced on linux O/S and open source world but I am newbee on DVB things on linux. I first of all would like to know the following components are enough to go further to set up my own linux dvb or myth tv?

Here are the links of hardware for your check, please comment how to go next step ;
1.Mainboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813128399
2.Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819103680
3.Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820220331
4.Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811129046
5.DVD Writer
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6827118030
6.Hardisk
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6822136320
7.USB wifi dongle
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6833315081
8.DVB-S TV Card
http://www.technisat.com/index381f.html ... ,en,76-174
9.Wireless keyboard & mouse
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6823126041
10.Webcam
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6826104253

I want full compitable Multimedia High Definition TV with internet access, youtube, google, web surfing, msn messaging with web cam, music listening, picture previewing, tv recording, editing, burning and playing, enigma or similar CCCam or Camd server card sharing softwares enabled like dreambox or similar DVB boxes.
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Re: Hardware advice and where to start first?

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uisik34 wrote:Hello all forum members,

First I am semi experinced on linux O/S and open source world but I am newbee on DVB things on linux. I first of all would like to know the following components are enough to go further to set up my own linux dvb or myth tv?

Here are the links of hardware for your check, please comment how to go next step ;
1.Mainboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813128399
In general, people have had more success with the proprietary NVIDIA drivers than with either the proprietary ATI drivers or the Open Source ATI drivers. This is especially true now that NVIDIA has added VDPAU support to their proprietary drivers. Therefore, I would suggest a motherboard with built in NVIDIA graphics rather than built in ATI/AMD graphics.
This processor might be more than you need. I have no problem playing back HDTV with a 2.5GHz AMD Athlon X2 4850e with 2 x 512KB L2 cache.
Should be fine.
My preference is for a case with 120mm fans so that they can be run more quietly. For example, assuming you want an LED display http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811129053
5.DVD Writer
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6827118030
6.Hardisk
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6822136320
7.USB wifi dongle
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6833315081
8.DVB-S TV Card
http://www.technisat.com/index381f.html ... ,en,76-174
9.Wireless keyboard & mouse
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6823126041
10.Webcam
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6826104253

I want full compitable Multimedia High Definition TV with internet access, youtube, google, web surfing, msn messaging with web cam, music listening, picture previewing, tv recording, editing, burning and playing, enigma or similar CCCam or Camd server card sharing softwares enabled like dreambox or similar DVB boxes.
No comment on any of these.
MiniMyth running on an Acer ApireRevo 3610 and a Zotac ZBOX-ID80-U. Find out more at my MythTV page.
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Re: Hardware advice and where to start first?

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I agree with the above message. ATI just don't support Linux as well as nVidia do.
The remote that comes with this case is rubbish. Be prepared to replace it. Personally I wasn't impressed with the LCD screen - it kept coming loose, until I took to it with a blob of superglue. The case fans are fine - you don't need them all if you're not loading the machine up with video cards and hard drives and the like. However, be prepared to replace the CPU fan - the vast majority of the noise from my frontend (that's in this case) comes from the CPU fan.
For MiniMyth? You don't really need one. You're much better off booting off your backend via PXE. You are running a separate backend, right?
Forget running your backend over wifi - the bandwidth just isn't there - I would imagine this goes double for HDTV.
Won't fit in the case you've selected since it only has low profile slots.
uisik34
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Re: Hardware advice and where to start first?

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Pablo wrote:
uisik34 wrote:Hello all forum members,

First I am semi experinced on linux O/S and open source world but I am newbee on DVB things on linux. I first of all would like to know the following components are enough to go further to set up my own linux dvb or myth tv?

Here are the links of hardware for your check, please comment how to go next step ;
1.Mainboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813128399
In general, people have had more success with the proprietary NVIDIA drivers than with either the proprietary ATI drivers or the Open Source ATI drivers. This is especially true now that NVIDIA has added VDPAU support to their proprietary drivers. Therefore, I would suggest a motherboard with built in NVIDIA graphics rather than built in ATI/AMD graphics.

I see, you are right. I skipped that point though ATI vga support is getting stronger on linux community every day. In past years it was really bad ATI vga support on kernel and it is still problem ATI driver on Compiz things. should I change the mainboard or add an extra PCI-e Nvida chip vga card on it?

I have seen this maniboard which is nvidia onboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813131354
But it just support AM2+ cpu not AM3 then I should reconfigure the the cpu and memory choice.

This processor might be more than you need. I have no problem playing back HDTV with a 2.5GHz AMD Athlon X2 4850e with 2 x 512KB L2 cache.

I thought a CPU not to be effected by much cpu pwer required applications which may cause bottleneck in high HD proccesses. Since I need that HTPC machine as strong multimedia monster, I may afford a few more!
Should be fine.

I may need to change acc. to new mobo!

My preference is for a case with 120mm fans so that they can be run more quietly. For example, assuming you want an LED display http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811129053

Yeah I need led display right! I may turn my choice into that case though I may also modify the fans on the case I have chosen.

5.DVD Writer
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6827118030
6.Hardisk
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6822136320
7.USB wifi dongle
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6833315081
8.DVB-S TV Card
http://www.technisat.com/index381f.html ... ,en,76-174
9.Wireless keyboard & mouse
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6823126041
10.Webcam
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6826104253

I want full compitable Multimedia High Definition TV with internet access, youtube, google, web surfing, msn messaging with web cam, music listening, picture previewing, tv recording, editing, burning and playing, enigma or similar CCCam or Camd server card sharing softwares enabled like dreambox or similar DVB boxes.
No comment on any of these.

You mean no idea and experince on these titles or you prove all the parts selected???
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Re: Hardware advice and where to start first?

Post by uisik34 »

rjch wrote:
I agree with the above message. ATI just don't support Linux as well as nVidia do.

I also agree, okay but Is not there any successful HTPC with ATI onboard mainboards on DVB world? I have chosen ATI vga mainboard because of AM3 and DDR3 1600 support
The remote that comes with this case is rubbish. Be prepared to replace it. Personally I wasn't impressed with the LCD screen - it kept coming loose, until I took to it with a blob of superglue. The case fans are fine - you don't need them all if you're not loading the machine up with video cards and hard drives and the like. However, be prepared to replace the CPU fan - the vast majority of the noise from my frontend (that's in this case) comes from the CPU fan.

So which brand remote do you suggest that is supported well? As I told I may modify inner case; fans to 120mm and passive cpu cooler as well to reduce noise! It is well noted and I also dislike sound issues on pc's.
For MiniMyth? You don't really need one. You're much better off booting off your backend via PXE. You are running a separate backend, right?

It is for recording programmes, editing then maybe recoring on dvd medias. Please forgive what you mean to boot "backend via PXE". Actually I am not running anything as I told I am newbee on DVB and try to start first to choose right components. I have already desktop PC with SS2 DVB card plugged and so far I have just run Kaffeine with success. But of course it is nothing for multimedia applications and not enough as well like TIVO :)
Forget running your backend over wifi - the bandwidth just isn't there - I would imagine this goes double for HDTV.

Wifi just for my CCCam or Camd key sharing applications. I just dont want to extend any cable inside of my apartment and It is more easy to access to internet through a wireless connection.

Won't fit in the case you've selected since it only has low profile slots.

Arent all PCI cards height universal? I maybe wrong, not sure and just asking for confirmation. What is the difference of HTPC case's standards than any other cases?

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Re: Hardware advice and where to start first?

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uisik34 wrote:I also agree, okay but Is not there any successful HTPC with ATI onboard mainboards on DVB world? I have chosen ATI vga mainboard because of AM3 and DDR3 1600 support
That I can't comment on - I don't know. I'm sure there are - but current consensus is that you'll get better results with an nVidia chipset.
So which brand remote do you suggest that is supported well?
I've seen good things mentioned about most of the MCE remotes. Theoretically the IR receiver in this case will support an MCE remote, but I haven't been able to get that working yet.
As I told I may modify inner case; fans to 120mm and passive cpu cooler as well to reduce noise! It is well noted and I also dislike sound issues on pc's.
You can't just increase the size of the fans inside the PC since they physically won't fit. The case fans aren't a real issue - frankly for a frontend, you don't need all three. it's the CPU fan that's far too noisy.
It is for recording programmes, editing then maybe recoring on dvd medias. Please forgive what you mean to boot "backend via PXE". Actually I am not running anything as I told I am newbee on DVB and try to start first to choose right components. I have already desktop PC with SS2 DVB card plugged and so far I have just run Kaffeine with success. But of course it is nothing for multimedia applications and not enough as well like TIVO :)
MiniMyth isn't designed to run as a fully fledged MythTV backend - it's mission is to be a lightweight frontend - usually a diskless one. Booting via PXE is the method most commonly used to start up a MiniMyth frontend, but you need to have a backend running as well. If you don't have one, you may be better off looking at other distros such as MythDora or Mythbuntu.
Wifi just for my CCCam or Camd key sharing applications. I just dont want to extend any cable inside of my apartment and It is more easy to access to internet through a wireless connection.
The more I hear, the more I suspect you're looking at the wrong distro in MiniMyth. I'm sure Pablo will strike me down if I'm wrong, but I don't see MiniMyth doing everything you want it to do.
Arent all PCI cards height universal? I maybe wrong, not sure and just asking for confirmation. What is the difference of HTPC case's standards than any other cases?
No - PCI cards come in two heights - full height (which is what most people see in their desktop machine) and half height - also known as low profile - which is intended for slimline cases. Low profile is considerably less common than full height. Cards have to be specifically designed to be low profile - though usually with low profile cards, you can change the back plate to one that will fit into a full height slot. Wikipedia explains it a bit better - have a look here.
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Re: Hardware advice and where to start first?

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rjch wrote:The more I hear, the more I suspect you're looking at the wrong distro in MiniMyth.
I believe that you are completely correct. Given the components being considered, it appears that a combined MythTV backend+frontend is the objective. As you have suggested, MythDora and Mythbuntu are distributions that would support a combined MythTV backend+frontend very well. Whereas, MiniMyth is primarily a MythTV frontend with limited MythTV slave backend functionality. MiniMyth, because its primary use is as a diskless MythTV frontend, does not support MythTV master backend functionality (e.g. it has no MySQL server and it has no software for populating scheduling information).
MiniMyth running on an Acer ApireRevo 3610 and a Zotac ZBOX-ID80-U. Find out more at my MythTV page.
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Re: Hardware advice and where to start first?

Post by uisik34 »

@ rjch and pablo

thank you so much for very useful information during 4 posts that I learned much indeed. As conclusion which I understand from all;

1. Mobo with nvidia vga card and its proper cpu and memory with much passive cooler sink to reduce noise issues
2. mini atx compatible pci dvb card and MCE brand remote
3. myth tv full frontend and backend distro choice for wifi, web cam and card sharing support
4. for further communication i would be grateful if you add my msn to your list for instant messaging on some directive dvb matters

uisik34 (at) hotmail.com

All best wishes, uisik34
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